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AnotherPost	40. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 25 2009, 3:12 PM EDT "This is the best episode of season 2 thus far. The season got off to a really rocky start and is finally gaining some momentum. Now I see Fox is airing the fifth episode a full month and a half later Way to kill the show, Fox!" Yes, Fox is totally not invested in Dollhouse. (Just look at the Terminator Wiki ads at the bottom of the page - LOL, way to stay current, or is that a mean joke to Terminator?). I think they don't care or don't want it to succeed. They don't list Dollhouse as one of the major shows with a review when you click Community, and the double shift in both time and skipping weeks is not a good plan AT ALL (remember what happened with Ugly Betty?). It's one thing if they delayed it one week, but December 4th!? WHAT!? I have a feeling Dollhouse will not be renewed if Fox continues their self fulfilling prophecy while letting everything hang on already flawed ratings. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
golddust12	41. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 25 2009, 6:29 PM EDT Sorry, I just noticed this thread, haha: I love this episode because it explores all of the characters who appear. No one really takes a back seat. Obviously, it's a Sierra origin story, so there's plenty of her - all fabulous, I agree with you guys on that. But everyone else gets a turn. This is the epitome of an ensemble show at its best. So the next biggest player is Topher, of course. His moral education is so interesting, great to watch. And the scene where Adelle confronts him about those moral shortcomings was so spooky, I love it! And we've never really seen much of Boyd's background, but now we know he has some seriously badass connections. He was a cop- did he lie, or was he dirty? Who knows? The first bits with Adelle show her in pretty much the light we'd expect, protecting Sierra and mad as hell that the situation has come up at all. Then we see the other side, and get to hear the truth about the Dollhouse staff. They are all pretty damaged, one way or another. And even though most of us hope that Adelle would go to the mat for her dolls (as demonstrated in Epitaph One), this episode proves that she would actually sit back and let an awful thing happen! Not that she's happy with it, but she would. Hmm, this probably informs her pivotal decisions in Epitaph One. So cool! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
golddust12	42. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 25 2009, 6:30 PM EDT Pt. II: Victor - so now I'm assuming he was a soldier in real life. In Echos, I just sort of assumed his glitch had to do with an imprint, but obviously it was real, haha. And his relationship with Sierra is explored, and is some of the sweetest, romantic material on television. And finally, Echo. Personally, not my favorite character, but they really used the character to full potential with very little screen time. The idea that she is learning and remembering and learning how to remember, well that just looks so much cooler when we see little clues here and there. When it isn't Echo just outright stating "I remember everything". Awesome. So basically, we get background on everybody except Topher and Echo, whose stories are in turn furthered by the plot, along with Sierra’s. I also love the little callbacks to previous episodes, i.e. Topher's birthday from Haunted, when Sierra/Priya asks if she's allowed to have beer and he cites "special occasions". Fantastic! I’ve got to say, this is one fantastic episode. Well-rounded, and fascinating on a frame-by-frame basis. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
daisy3733	43. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 26 2009, 1:09 AM EDT Fox does have a serious hate on for Dollhouse. Making us wait 2 weeks for episode 4...and now making us wait until Dec. 4 for a further episode! WTF?! Just when episode 4 was soooo good! :( Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Bwleon7	44. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 26 2009, 6:14 AM EDT Amazing episode. I can't wait to see what comes next. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
daisy3733	45. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 26 2009, 8:04 AM EDT I know this is probably not the place for discussion on the next episode....but just saw the trailer for that. LOOKS GOOD!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
intrepid	46. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 26 2009, 7:03 PM EDT This episode showed just how amazing DH could be; As much as I like Echo, It's the WHOLE cast that makes this show great, and the more they use the ensemble the better the show will become. And I liked the Le Femme Nikita reference with the acid and the tub, then making that scene so much worse and real by having Topher “bleed” the body first. They really should push this show more down the “down and dirty” path like this episode, it would I think appeal to more viewers. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Watcher_at_Large	47. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 1:39 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 27 2009, 1:40 AM EDT "Couldn't make out too much on my worn-out VCR, but did see: I was trained to kill. Shoulder to the (wheel? whatever the archer guy taught her...) My son killed me. (From the episode where she was the murdered mom.) Dominic was bad. Victor loves Sierra." I was fortunate enough to re-watch the episode, so I paused and transcribed it. This is someone else's transcription off DollhouseForums.com (mine is at home), but it lines up with my own. "The Attic is bad" (possibly from "A Spy in the House of Love") "I was trained to kill" ("Man on the Street") "My son killed me" ("Haunted") "My husband bought me a house" ("Man on the Street") "I love my baby" ("Instinct") "The baby isn't mine" (ditto) "Victor loves Sierra, Sierra loves Victor" (pretty much the whole series) "Blue skies" ("Gray Hour") "Friends help each other out" ("Stage Fright") "I was blind" ("True Believer") "Shoulder to the wheel" ("The Target") "Ghosts aren't... (unintelligible)" "Dominic was bad" ("Spy," but possibly also "True Believer" and "Echoes") "Mountains are safe" ("Gray Hour," the opening in the ski lodge with Midwife Echo) "I have a right to survive" ("The Target") "Women are whores" ("Belle Chose," after Terry Karrens' soul jumped from Victor into Echo) "I tried to take (unintelligible)" That's what I've been able to find, anyway. And boy will it REALLY hit the fan if any staff member other than Boyd learns about this! (Though Paul won't be too surprised, when he gets back from his short vacation...) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
StevenHimel	48. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 2:15 AM EDT I have a question about something in this episode. In the scene where Echo is being imprinted and calls Topher "Shaggy"... that's a flashback scene to a year ago, before Sierra was introduced to the Dollhouse, right? It directly precedes the scene where Topher first visits Priya in the mental institution, Adelle has long hair (which she does not have in present day), and she tells Topher about a new prospect who is a paranoid-schizophrenic, which is presumably Priya on the meds Nolan is feeding her. So, if that is truly a flashback to before Sierra arrives at the Dollhouse, why does Adelle tell Topher that she has a replacement for Sierra, and why does Topher call it "her last imprint ever?' Both of these comments would indicate present day, not a flashback scene. We're told that the last Doll to have had a "permanent imprint" is Whiskey," (which I am currently assuming is who they meant to say the replacement would be for in that scene). Or was there another Sierra at some point, that is no longer with them? Did I miss something, or did they just mess up the name in that scene? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
csi_spy	49. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 5:10 AM EDT "I have a question about something in this episode. In the scene where Echo is being imprinted and calls Topher "Shaggy"... that's a flashback scene to a year ago, before Sierra was introduced to the Dollhouse, right? It directly precedes the scene where Topher first visits Priya in the mental institution, Adelle has long hair (which she does not have in present day), and she tells Topher about a new prospect who is a paranoid-schizophrenic, which is presumably Priya on the meds Nolan is feeding her. So, if that is truly a flashback to before Sierra arrives at the Dollhouse, why does Adelle tell Topher that she has a replacement for Sierra, and why does Topher call it "her last imprint ever?' Both of these comments would indicate present day, not a flashback scene. We're told that the last Doll to have had a "permanent imprint" is Whiskey," (which I am currently assuming is who they meant to say the replacement would be for in that scene). Or was there another Sierra at some point, that is no longer with them? Did I miss something, or did they just mess up the name in that scene?" I kinda thought that what was meant with the "last imprint ever" and a replacement Sierra meant that they had a Sierra before Priya!Sierra and that probably, her five years is up and is going to be released from her contract. I also thought that Adelle basically manipulated Topher and Boyd into killing Nolan. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Watcher_at_Large	50. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 6:02 AM EDT I agree that Adelle "suggested" that Topher find a way to off Nolan. And I wonder... what is it with her and "suggesting" executions? This is the second time in a row she's done this! At the end of "Belle Chose" Paul asks her if the comatose Terry (the serial killer) is likely to wake up, and she answers slyly: "Wouldn't it be nice if he didn't?" Seconds later... flatline. I swear, for not exactly being evil, Adelle is the most cold-blooded woman you will ever see. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Watcher_at_Large	51. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 6:06 AM EDT One more question before I belatedly go to be, for it's 3 a.m. over here. I have to ask... WHAT is the book Echo is reading? I know that Boyd is more freaked THAT a doll is reading than about the actual text, but I would love to know just what that book is. Something literary and symbolically fitting, like Paradise Lost or something? Or... something of a technical nature for leading an escape? I'm really hoping that book becomes crucial to the plot later in the season. (And with the Dollhouse's security cameras - which we can assume are modern HD units - could Boyd learn what book that was from video captures? Hmmm...) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
golddust12	52. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 6:16 AM EDT I don't think Adelle knew they were going to take car of things, just because she was so miserable the whole episode. If she had trusted them to get rid of Nolan she wouldn't have been felt quite so awful. Of course she knew by the end, when Boyd tells her Sierra is back in the house, she definitely recognizes he's taken care of it, but she wouldn't have been such a basket case over it if she didn't think Priya was a lost cause. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steverg	53. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 8:55 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 27 2009, 8:56 AM EDT I agree, Adelle was much too miserable and resigned to really believe that everything would be handled. She is not above ordering a person's death, however. She did it in season 1 when she used November to off the handler, and she was about as transparent as possible in Belle Chose, without actually saying the words. Adelle is morally compromised. She has admitted that to Topher. In her past is something worse than enslaving a girl for some Rossum higher up, at least that was the claim by Harding. Note that Adelle did not dispute that with him. I would suggest it might be on the lines of an accidental killing that bordered on negligence, rather than something truly heinous. Adelle seems to have the sort of conscience where that would be an issue that Rossum could manipulate. Whatever the case, she has deep guilt over the matter. Knowing that she could be pushed into harming her Actives nearly destroyed the woman. She was a shell of her former self as she gave the orders to prepare Priya for Nolan. In the end, when Sierra was once again safe in the Dollhouse, Adellle still knew that she had been prepared to give her up to a monster. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DarKnight2k1	54. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 27 2009, 5:23 PM EDT "Since it is unlikely that Victor would be programmed as a soldier in combat (who would ask for that?) do we assume that was his real life before becoming a doll? Our site does recaps for Dollhouse, Supernatural and Bones if you want to stop by and say hello "mile high Horrors" " Yeah. If Dollhouse does become a long running series 3+ years, this episode will become known as the Backstory episode. Not only did it tell the backstory of Priya, but also hinted at the backstory for Boyd, whom I initially thought was ex-FBI or ex-NSA, but now I think he is ex-CIA, and Victor, whom I now think is an ex-soldier who had a combat breakdown. One other note, has anyone noticed the subtle mannerism Lachman has given her character? When she is in her active personna, she talks with little to no Aussie accent. But when she was Priya or Imprinted, she speaks with her Aussie accent. I need to re-watch older episodes to verify this assessment. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
RobertDamelio	55. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 30 2009, 8:35 PM EDT Now this is how tv should be and what I'd expect from a Joss Whedon show. I though this episode was incredible; it really added depth to a lot of the characters. Besides, who doesn't like it when a storm is coming? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
dollhouse1091	56. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Nov 2 2009, 3:58 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 2 2009, 3:58 PM EST the episode was absolutely amazing one of the best of the season no make that the best of the season so far cant wait to c more dollhouse i am dying for the next one Post reply Do you find this valuable?
xi	57. A mini Dollhouse session and finally saw Eps 4 Nov 6 2009, 3:35 PM EST \| Post edited: Nov 6 2009, 3:35 PM EST The kids are away, so I settled down for a mini Dollhouse session, watching all four episodes so far in one go. How cool to see Jamie Bamber in episode one (although I much preferred his hair in BSG). Episode 3 and seeing Saul Tigh (don't know his real name) made me think this is a real BSG reunion rather than just the normal Whedon crowd grin Then I settled down to watch Belonging. I have carefully avoided reading any spoilers, although I knew it concentrated on Sierra. OMG, I know this isn't the first time DH has made me cry, but it about broke my heart several times - Nolan was a world class a$hole who deserved every stabwound and more; I was pleased that DeWitt didn't know about Nolan beforehand, but hurt that she was prepared to follow orders. You could see how much it got to her that she couldn't protect her Doll, and as someone else has said maybe that explains her behaviour in Epitaph One. Victor and Sierra are just so absolutely beautiful together. The actors put so much emotion into simple things like reaching out to hold each other's hands, and the scene in the shower where they were originally getting rid of the dark coloured paint, then painting each other was so touching. Made more so by Victor's flashback to his real life, and Sierra comforting him. Boyd was quite chilling. I knew there had to be a reason that he was at the DH - no one with a pristine record is going to end up there - but man, he kinda creeped me out. But as a Head of Security, I would definitely want him on my side! Echo. I really like ED, and how she plays this character, and I really loved the way she said she didn't care if people were ready to wake up or not, that they needed to because she wanted them ALL to make it through the storm. I think the all she is talking about includes DeWitt, Topher and Boyd (and there is most definitely a frisson between her and Ballard).... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
golddust12	58. RE: A mini Dollhouse session and finally saw Eps 4 Nov 7 2009, 12:15 AM EST I love that your reaction to the episode, it's quite similar to mine actually. Doesn't that episode get you excited? All I wanted to do after I saw it was dissect it and thinkg over it and talk about it, haha, it's just so brilliant. I do love that shower scene with Victor and Sierra, it's just plain sweet. They are so fragile and pure together. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
xi	59. RE: A mini Dollhouse session and finally saw Eps 4 Nov 7 2009, 4:48 AM EST \| Post edited: Nov 7 2009, 4:48 AM EST "I do love that shower scene with Victor and Sierra, it's just plain sweet. They are so fragile and pure together." That's it exactly - they are fragile and pure, you want to protect them because that kind of love is rare. I must admit, normally after watching someone I've Sky+'ed I delete it, but I may have to watch that episode again to catch any nuances I may have missed! Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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