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noobloser	20. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:29 AM EDT Any scene with Topher was absolutely awesome. And the next-to-no Echo was great. I mean, her acting's getting better and all of the self-awareness stuff (I know I saw Dominic and Topher scrawled on the glass of the pod), but she's still subpar compared to everyone else. Speaking of those people, the acting was just mind-blowing. Nolan was evil, Sierra was awesome and crazy (loved that purple dress!), Topher was being duped and upset left and right...I would say more, but I think this will suffice for now in terms of the actors. How would someone know about an employee's state of morals? And, just saying, but unbelievably chilling when Adelle was talking with Topher, "All of our employees have been chosen because their morals have been compromised in some way--except for you. You were chosen...because you have no morals." His face...I was kinda close to crying at that point, no joke. I thought Topher was covered in blood because he had killed somebody. Well, I wasn't that far off; he INDIRECTLY killed someone. And now he has to live with it. I wonder how much he wishes he was an Active, or could do what Priya asked and erase the memory... And so the lies build. Five out of five. Wasn't action packed, but still unbelievably awesome. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	21. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:31 AM EDT "Any scene with Topher was absolutely awesome. And the next-to-no Echo was great. I mean, her acting's getting better and all of the self-awareness stuff (I know I saw Dominic and Topher scrawled on the glass of the pod), but she's still subpar compared to everyone else. Speaking of those people, the acting was just mind-blowing. Nolan was evil, Sierra was awesome and crazy (loved that purple dress!), Topher was being duped and upset left and right...I would say more, but I think this will suffice for now in terms of the actors. How would someone know about an employee's state of morals? And, just saying, but unbelievably chilling when Adelle was talking with Topher, "All of our employees have been chosen because their morals have been compromised in some way--except for you. You were chosen...because you have no morals." His face...I was kinda close to crying at that point, no joke. I thought Topher was covered in blood because he had killed somebody. Well, I wasn't that far off; he INDIRECTLY killed someone. And now he has to live with it. I wonder how much he wishes he was an Active, or could do what Priya asked and erase the memory... And so the lies build. Five out of five. Wasn't action packed, but still unbelievably awesome." I have to admit I got a little misty when Victor promised to "wait for Sierra right here" and then DID. Those two are too adorable for words. Seriously. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Charmednel	22. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:37 AM EDT so about a week ago I went to TV.com to check out this season's episode guide and the website usually has summaries of few episodes to come. last week the episode titles, summaries and air dates were entirely different then when I just checked now after "Belonging". Did Whedon change the line up because they were picked up for the rest of the season?If so, I'm hoping this change will attract more viewers. I want Dollhouse to be on for a few more seasons, I love this show!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
noobloser	23. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:38 AM EDT "I have to admit I got a little misty when Victor promised to "wait for Sierra right here" and then DID. Those two are too adorable for words. Seriously." Oh, they were just so cute! This episode made me a humongous shipper of them. I bet that Sierra loves Victor because she took a liking to "him" during the art show. Goes to show that the tech isn't perfect; some stuff is still in the brain that shouldn't be there. And I cannot stress how sick Nolan made me feel. I mean, he did an art show to seduce her, drugged her, and then had her sent to the DH so she could be his plaything. Sicker than Hearn, but I have a feeling that Carradine's character is going to be the Big Bad this season, not just in villainy, but in utter moral corruption. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Charmednel	24. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:44 AM EDT Sierra and Victors relationship is adorable! I love watching them evolve together. As for Boyd, I hope we will learn more about his past. I mean we know he was a cop, but what in his past trained him to clean up messes like that? and what connections does he have to get rid of the evidence? He was more than just a beat cop. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
jl45	25. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 3:59 AM EDT I just signed up so I could say this is easily the best episode so far. I loved it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Chumgrinder	26. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 5:18 AM EDT "IWhat were the words scratched into the lid when it slid up, I missed that." Couldn't make out too much on my worn-out VCR, but did see: I was trained to kill. Shoulder to the (wheel? whatever the archer guy taught her...) My son killed me. (From the episode where she was the murdered mom.) Dominic was bad. Victor loves Sierra. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
S_He_LL_iZ_zL_e	27. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 5:52 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 5:54 AM EDT "Did everyone notice the look on Topher's face when he watched Sierra rejoin Victor? He SO wants to have that human connection. In a very profound way, Topher is more a prisoner than any Active, for he has locked himself up and does not know where to find the key." I agree with you, steverg, one hundred percent! My sister and I noticed it the minute it happened. I mean... I have always thought that Topher had and wanted a connection with Sierra. Because after seeing the "Belonging" episode, it made me wonder if Topher is jealous of Victor. Remember in episode ten, the one titled "Haunted'? Topher chose Sierra to be his birthday buddy. Well, I don't know. I just want to see different cast members doing more scenes with one another. So, yeah... I just thought that part was interesting as well. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
S_He_LL_iZ_zL_e	28. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 5:53 AM EDT "The graphic scene of removing the body made me think do we assume this also happened to the body of the professor that Echo killed last week? and the professor's family will never know what happened or have closure? I mean, I know the profressor was kind of a perv but didn't deserve to die for that. " I don't think he died. I remember him being seriously injured, but I think Boyd was there in time to call for help. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Gusar	29. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 7:41 AM EDT I'm at a loss for words. No way one can express how awesome this episode was with words... Everyone got to shine in this ep. Even Echo, but of course especially Sierra and Topher. Really, just O... M... G... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SilentEchoes	30. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 10:59 AM EDT It's possible he wants a connection with Sierra but at this point there really isn't much evidence that supports it. "Haunted", he didn't specifically choose Sierra. He just wanted an active. He didn't state he wanted a male or female active. I could see them adding some detail later on if they choose to have a love triangle with Topher. In epitaph one, they weren't with each other anymore so something had to go wrong. I hope they don't cancel this show. I want things answered :[ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Losa78	31. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 11:56 AM EDT Just wanted to say I loved everybody's inputs so far on this episode, specially Thewhitewillsmith's and Steverg's. I also adored this episode, like everybody else here. Seems like each week we're saying it's the best episode so far. LOL Sierra's (or Pryia's) history in the hands of Nolan was really heart-wrenching. It was somewhat predictable that Topher wouldn't just comply to his orders and give her another normal imprint when he sent her back to Nolan for the last time, though. Revenge was well overdue. And the dark figure rising with the painting on the background was indeed beautiful and extremely meaningful. Thank you, Joss, for another piece of this brilliancy. Even if it doesn't last much longer, I will enjoy it while it does. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steverg	32. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 12:03 PM EDT "It's possible he wants a connection with Sierra but at this point there really isn't much evidence that supports it. "Haunted", he didn't specifically choose Sierra. He just wanted an active. He didn't state he wanted a male or female active. I could see them adding some detail later on if they choose to have a love triangle with Topher. In epitaph one, they weren't with each other anymore so something had to go wrong. I hope they don't cancel this show. I want things answered :[" My point earlier was that Topher wants to connect to other people in that fundamental way Sierra and Victor effortlessly have, but that he cannot seem to accomplish. For me, all his witty repartee with others and casual fun are a screen disguising an unrequited need. It is not necessarily person specific. Topher wants to join the human race and doesn't know how. In the end, his guilt at what his technological innovation has unleashed will send him into psychosis. I wonder if he will find that connection to others before the end? It may be that lack which makes him so vulnerable to the isolation of madness. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AnotherPost	33. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 2:10 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 2:13 PM EDT Am I the only one who didn't like this episode? The acting, tone, and story were all great, but something about the way it jumped back and forth in time confused me and there were a couple plot holes IMO that overshadowed everything else: 1) There was no inquiry from other levels of the Rossum into Nolan's disappearance? Nothing? Even after Adelle made a stink to her superior? 2) I know it was a lie, but if Nolan did take Sierra, how could they just bring her back to the Dollhouse (and quickly) like nothing happened? (Yes, I know she is tagged). Does nobody keep tabs on each Dollhouse? 3) What was with the scene in the beginning? Other things written on the wall say "The attic is bad", "Where is Caroline", "I am nobody", "Topher makes Donning(?) was bad" , "I have a right to survive", "I love my baby", "The baby isn't mine.", "Friends help ea[ch other]" "Ghosts aren't [something]", "I was trained to kill". Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SilentEchoes	34. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 2:24 PM EDT "My point earlier was that Topher wants to connect to other people in that fundamental way Sierra and Victor effortlessly have, but that he cannot seem to accomplish. For me, all his witty repartee with others and casual fun are a screen disguising an unrequited need. It is not necessarily person specific. Topher wants to join the human race and doesn't know how. In the end, his guilt at what his technological innovation has unleashed will send him into psychosis. I wonder if he will find that connection to others before the end? It may be that lack which makes him so vulnerable to the isolation of madness." oh alright, gotcha. lol. That makes sense =] I hope .....if we get more dollhouse they'll explore him even more. He seems too confident personally to me. Maybe show him outside of the dollhouse at his home maybe. He seems very out going so I'd like to see him outside of his element. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Chumgrinder	35. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 2:25 PM EDT "1) There was no inquiry from other levels of the Rossum into Nolan's disappearance? Nothing? Even after Adelle made a stink to her superior? 2) I know it was a lie, but if Nolan did take Sierra, how could they just bring her back to the Dollhouse (and quickly) like nothing happened? 3) What was with the scene in the beginning?" 1) Everything can't happen all at once. It's only been hours. Rossum bigwigs are in bed, sleeping. When they learn about Nolan there may indeed be inquiries. 2) Boyd makes it very clear: "his plan was to take Priya over the border, but he left without taking her." Which I thought was a pretty weak and hard to explain lie, unless he has also created fake audit trails of (say) Nolan embezzling from Rossum. Also, if Priya never left the building, why would Boyd have even been tracking Nolan's car? 3) It was a flash-forward of Topher cutting up the body, whining that he only meant to help Priya. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
noobloser	36. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 2:36 PM EDT "1) There was no inquiry from other levels of the Rossum into Nolan's disappearance? Nothing? Even after Adelle made a stink to her superior? 2) I know it was a lie, but if Nolan did take Sierra, how could they just bring her back to the Dollhouse (and quickly) like nothing happened? (Yes, I know she is tagged). Does nobody keep tabs on each Dollhouse? 3) What was with the scene in the beginning?" 1) Of course there wasn't. As much of a big company Rossum is, Harding probably believed that Adelle had followed orders (and not only that, the excuse that Boyd made up was entirely believable). Rossum has bigger fish to fry than one DH going on the fritz. They have that Senator Perrin problem to tackle. 2) I don't quite understand this problem. Nolan took Sierra back to his home. Naturally, Boyd would probably look there. And Boyd and Topher probably got into the DH another way so they'd avoid questions. Boyd's got the cop skills to do it. 3) I'm assuming you're talking about either the distorted shot of Topher or Priya selling stuff in Venice. The Topher scene is what's called "medias in res", the ending or the middle shown in the beginning, with subsequent flashbacks leading up to the scenario. It's used in the movie "Lolita" (only example I can think of at the moment). As for Priya, the scene with her selling trinkets with that woman was just a backdrop for meeting Nolan. Personally, I don't care much for the specifics of why he was there or how she got there, it's better to take it as is; Nolan became obsessed with her in Venice when she was a street vendor. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
mandestroys	37. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 4:07 PM EDT This episode is easily the best of the season so far, I can't see it going anywhere but up from here. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MrGrinch	38. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 10:00 PM EDT Yes, a fantastic episode for all of the reasons above, I just hope its not too late. Best episode, but ratings go down. If the series had started out this way, it would not be in ratings trouble. Does anyone else wonder why those geniuses at Fox didn't team this with Fringe, or even Bones? Would this show be doing better if it were on the SyFy channel? Joss, if you are out there, have you considered or talked with SyFy? They have done well with big budget series, like Stargate, and Eureka, with a built in audience. Screw Fox. Just a thought. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
EricHoffman	39. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 25 2009, 8:57 AM EDT This is the best episode of season 2 thus far. The season got off to a really rocky start and is finally gaining some momentum. Now I see Fox is airing the fifth episode a full month and a half later Way to kill the show, Fox! Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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