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noobloser	(Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 9:30 AM EDT Directed by (that cool guy!) Jonathan Frakes. Written by (those cool people!) Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon. Guest stars of the week: Keith Carradine, Vincent Ventresca, Carlease Burke, Clyde Kusatsu Sorry I've been gone! I had a ton of stuff to do, but I've come back to post! So if you haven't gotten the news, Dollhouse is going off the air for a while. It'll be back with back-to-back episodes on December 4, 2009. Now I have to jet, so without further ado... Discuss! Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
FlyinyourSoup	1. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 9:23 PM EDT Watching right now. I hate Nolan more than any other Joss Whedon character. No, make that any other television character ever. I really hope he doesn't survive the episode. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
wagner710	2. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:05 PM EDT Holy crap!!! This episode was freakin awesome!!! Victor and Sierra are absolutely adorable together! Glad Topher got some morals and Boyd to the rescue! I don't know how I'm gonna be able to wait until December? That episode is gonna be insane!!! Summer is gonna be crazy good in that episode! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MichaelStephen	3. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:08 PM EDT Episode 4 was fantastic! Just Proves This Series is better as an ensemble. And Episode 5! Summer's Smirk was rather scary! December 4th can't come fast enough! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FlyinyourSoup	4. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:11 PM EDT Such a great episode! I loved everyone in this! (except Nolan and the other Dollhouse bigwigs of course) ...I'm at a loss for words, there's too many great things to say, so many questions answered and new ones raised. I'm gonna watch again :D Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	5. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:17 PM EDT So we got some answers and some more crumbs this time around. Sierra/Pryia is an Aussie. I'd wondered. And an artist, such talent. I was heartbroken for her and all she went through thanks to that sociopath Nolan. One of the most vile characters we've yet met, except for maybe Adelle's superior. It's painfully clear that as much as Adelle wishes otherwise and would like to change it, DH is about slave trading. If Priya was kidnaped and forced into being a doll, who knows how many other times it's happened? I also ached for Topher, who seems to be developing quite a conscience and was destroyed knowing what he'd helped do. I was so shocked yet proud of him for wanting to set it right. Looking for the truth, thanks in part to Echo's hint, and then giving her her own memories back. I was cheering when she killed Nolan and in a way was free from at least one horror. Only now having to go back into another. It was good at least that this time she’s going back on her own. She wants to forget all that happened in that year, she wants to be w/Victor, who she finally can say she loves. Meanwhile Topher is forced to live w/the secret weighing on him. For someone Adelle said had no conscience, his must be very weighed down. I also liked how she tried to absolve him of it by saying he had no choice. And yet she’d told Boyd to make sure he obeyed or he’d suffer consequences. Protecting him maybe? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	6. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:17 PM EDT I was shocked Boyd came to their rescue and helped dispose of the body. Earlier I’d wondered if he was losing his conscience while Topher was getting one. I cringed when he had Topher cut the body and then called in a ‘favor’ while Priya helped destroy the evidence. Then he lied to Adelle and either she believed him or didn’t want to look too hard for the truth. It was sweet how Victor waited right there for her all that time to come back. And now Topher knows they’re in love, but I hope no one else catches on. Who knows what they’d do about it. Which makes them sharing a pod strike me odd... And speaking of catching on, Boyd knows Echo is remembering. It was chilling hearing her talk about a storm coming, I have no idea what it could be or how it could be worse than what’s going on now. She certainly thinks so. “I want everyone to live through it.” Okay, ominous. And who gave her the all access pass, was it Boyd? I mean, it ended up in the same book he’d busted her with. What were the words scratched into the lid when it slid up, I missed that. I loved Topher explaining the brain stuff to Boyd and him saying, “You lost me at brain.” lol. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
noobloser	7. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:31 PM EDT Glad everyone has enjoyed the episode! Still 90 minutes to go on the West Coast... Even a long nap didn't pass the time...sigh Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	8. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 10:59 PM EDT What an amazing hour of television! It makes it that much harder to wait 5 weeks for the next one (two) episodes. Notable moments for me... - Focus on Sierra (yes please!) And one hell of a back story. - Topher shines again this season. He may finally be making steps to that mental break from Epitaph One. - Loved the revelation that the Dark Figure in Sierra's paintings was not Nolan or Topher, but her desire for revenge, represented in the most beautifully framed shot on the history of the DH. - Nolan gets what he goddamn well deserved (and he was SO much worse than I'd thought when he first appeared in Needs.) More viewings are a necessity for this episode. Maurissa and Jed are one hell of a team. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
DawninDenver	9. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 11:00 PM EDT Since it is unlikely that Victor would be programmed as a soldier in combat (who would ask for that?) do we assume that was his real life before becoming a doll? Our site does recaps for Dollhouse, Supernatural and Bones if you want to stop by and say hello "mile high Horrors" Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DawninDenver	10. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 11:02 PM EDT The graphic scene of removing the body made me think do we assume this also happened to the body of the professor that Echo killed last week? and the professor's family will never know what happened or have closure? I mean, I know the profressor was kind of a perv but didn't deserve to die for that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DawninDenver	11. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 11:05 PM EDT Sorry one last thing I forgot I wanted to mention what a nasty boss Harding is! throws Victor "miss lonely heart" in Adele's face "everybody likes to take a little something home from the office once in a while"- Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	12. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 11:06 PM EDT "The graphic scene of removing the body made me think do we assume this also happened to the body of the professor that Echo killed last week? and the professor's family will never know what happened or have closure? I mean, I know the profressor was kind of a perv but didn't deserve to die for that. " Well, it wasn't really explained WHAT happened to the professor, but I think the lengths to which they went to dispose of Nolan were because he was a despicable human being that was in the pocket of the company in charge of the DH. The professor's "death" could've been spun any way they needed, but they needed Nolan to DISAPPEAR, completely. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
daisy3733	13. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 23 2009, 11:55 PM EDT LOVED that episode! Wow! Although now I read that DH won't be back until Dec. 4th?! How can I live that long waiting for my next DH fix?? I must say, Topher was looking hot...and re: previous discussion of shirtlessness...I am converted. Here is another vote for Shirtless Topher ;) Loved finding out more about Sierra/Pryia. LOVED seeing Boyd evolving from handler to what is he now, head of security? He looked very experienced at cleaning up messy situations. When Nolan was knocking Pryia around I was sure he was going to kill her, glad it was him that ended up dead... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
rhialove	14. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 12:43 AM EDT I'm sad this thread isn't more lively! Season 1 would've already been at page 5! Let's get back to that guys! What an amazing episode. I've always loved Topher's character, but the development this season has been amazing! As far as Sierra's imprint (herself - Priya) I didn't realize it was her, but I just KNEW Topher was going to do something to at least alter the imprint. That whole bit was a little terrifying after he was killed and Boyd showed up. Big question - who does Boyd know? Who can he call to dispose of body parts? Also - he seemed like he'd done that before - really disturbing. As glad as I was Nolan was dead - eep, the saw kinda freaked me out. This episode just has gotten me so intrigued! Strangely enough not about he main through line of the plot - but I just realized there is SO much more we don't know! Who knew Sierra was a mental case (well now we know why as well) before she came in. And we hear a little bit about the past of the employees - what was it Adelle said? That they each had something in their past against their conscience? Or something involving that. I forget exactly what she said. And then Topher with his newfound conscience.... It was creepy how Adelle said all that to him about his toys. chills I'm most interested in Boyd's past now though. AAhhhh I can't wait until DECEMBER!!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	15. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:06 AM EDT Did anyone else notice how Boyd's tone changed COMPLETELY when he got on the phone. He was like "Jive Langton." They're really exploring the repercussions to the moral ambiguities they're all involved in and Echo seems to be going down a particularly dark path (possibly thanks to Terry Karrens' imprint.) Adelle seems to be developing in an interesting way, it's almost as if her conscience is trying desperately to come to the surface despite her obligations to the Rossum Corporation overseeing the LA Dollhouse. Here we thought that Hearn was a monster (he was) and they give us an abomination like Nolan. Perhaps we'll see more despicable personalities crop up. My money's on Keith Carradine's character. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
thewhitewilsmith	16. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:08 AM EDT "Did anyone else notice how Boyd's tone changed COMPLETELY when he got on the phone. He was like "Jive Langton." They're really exploring the repercussions to the moral ambiguities they're all involved in and Echo seems to be going down a particularly dark path (possibly thanks to Terry Karrens' imprint.) Adelle seems to be developing in an interesting way, it's almost as if her conscience is trying desperately to come to the surface despite her obligations to the Rossum Corporation overseeing the LA Dollhouse. Here we thought that Hearn was a monster (he was) and they give us an abomination like Nolan. Perhaps we'll see more despicable personalities crop up. My money's on Keith Carradine's character." Also, maybe Topher will think twice about attempting "good deeds" or "moral behaviour" if those are going to be the repercussions. Then again, maybe Adelle knew exactly what would happen and pre-emptively "played a bad hand very well." Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Wrynn	17. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:12 AM EDT That episode made me want to throw up. I felt like I was witnessing a rape when Sierra went to stay with Nolan. I love Topher's development this season, and the fact that the episode didn't focus on Echo. That was the best episode since "Man on the Street". Absolutely incredible. I don't think I have ever watched television that gave me such a visceral reaction. If they keep up to this standard, we may just get a season 3. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
SilentEchoes	18. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:16 AM EDT "Directed by (that cool guy!) Jonathan Frakes. Written by (those cool people!) Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon. Guest stars of the week: Keith Carradine, Vincent Ventresca, Carlease Burke, Clyde Kusatsu Sorry I've been gone! I had a ton of stuff to do, but I've come back to post! So if you haven't gotten the news, Dollhouse is going off the air for a while. It'll be back with back-to-back episodes on December 4, 2009. Now I have to jet, so without further ado... Discuss!" That was intense. I was like "What!? hahaha!! No this can't be happening! Imprinted memory to quench Sierra's needs!" I laughed out of shock. I was so disturbed yet it really brought up emotions as to why someone would become a doll. It really punched home to me that this is some of the ugliest parts of the world and it was comforting to know the dollhouse was there to wash it all away. Adelle became a place of warmth and comfort for me suddenly. The scenes with Sierra becoming a doll I kept thinking back to that Claire reference as "the tide is rising" and imagined that for Sierra for some reason. I really really love this show. It's the only show that truly gets my emotions rattled and sends me on a roller coaster. Makes me happy, sad, disturbed and everything in between. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steverg	19. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.04 "Belonging" Discussion Oct 24 2009, 1:21 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 24 2009, 1:24 AM EDT Absolutely best episode of the season so far, and it only looks like it will be getting better. I was so relieved that Adelle had not known what was going on re Noland setting up Priya to be a Doll. It was also very important that she spelled out to Topher that the staff was there because they already were morally compromised one way or another--all except Topher, who they have assumed from the beginning to have no conscience. Did everyone notice the look on Topher's face when he watched Sierra rejoin Victor? He SO wants to have that human connection. In a very profound way, Topher is more a prisoner than any Active, for he has locked himself up and does not know where to find the key. I've always known that Boyd was a good guy. I still have him pegged for helping with the Season 1 special imprints of Echo. Not the tech, just the distraction to keep Topher busy. And the coming storm, Livingdoll? My belief is that Echo senses that the Dollhouse technology is unstable and destabilizing. She knows that Alpha has subverted it for his own uses and that remote wipes/programming are possible. Topher accidentally did that very thing the last episode. In my mind, Echo is sensing at a very gut level the possibility of what we saw in Epitaph One. Not a clear vision, but an understanding that everything might fall apart, that Armageddon might truly be at hand. Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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