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noobloser	(Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 9:26 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 12:08 PM EDT Directed by Marita Grabiak. Written by Michele (sorry, earlier misread) Fazekas and Tara Butters. Those cool people who created "Reaper". Your guest stars are Miracle Laurie, Alexis Denisof, Kristoffer Polaha, and Stacey Scowley. I'm out of time, I've got to jet somewhere. So let's discuss what's coming, what's happened, and a bit of 2.03 if you wish. That's why there are spoilers! Post reply Do you find this valuable? Keyword tags: None
thewhitewilsmith	1. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 3:53 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 3:53 PM EDT "So I don't know who the director is. But I do know the writers, Fazekas and Butters. Those cool people from "Reaper". Well, I wouldn't know. I don't watch "Reaper". But let's say they're pretty awesome people. Your guest stars are Miracle Laurie, Alexis Denisof, Kristoffer Polaha, and Stacey Scowley. I'm out of time, I've got to jet somewhere. So let's discuss what's coming, what's happened, and a bit of 2.03 if you wish. That's why there are spoilers!" Unfortch I'll be missing the live-feed for tonight's ep. Local production of Glengarry Glen Ross that I forgot about. Crap. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steverg	2. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 4:22 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 4:22 PM EDT Okay. I get most of my episode info over at dollhouse.wikia.com, and they don't list the director. haven't been motivated enough to look further. Now for the real SPOILER STUFF... Four sneak peeks of tonight's episode over at Spoiler TV. The following comments are about those peeks. Echo breast feeding her baby. Talk about some accelerated hormone treatment! Either that or there's been quite a gap between 2.01 and 2.02. They take Echo's baby away!!! That is going to be INTENSE. And then there is the talk between Adelle and the former November (Miracle Laurie.) Interesting. And is Miracle looking especially delicious here? Whether she's slimmed down, or just looks really hot with a more sophisticated makeup scheme, it just doesn't matter. Amy Acker has a beautiful face (and can play sexy like few can!), but my own preference is for Miracle's look in this ep. Mouth watering. More later, after the show. West coast here, so I won't have much to say until many of you have entered the Land of Nod. Sweet dreams, and all... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
daisy3733	3. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 5:13 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 5:17 PM EDT Can't wait for tonight's episode! They what? Make her able to breastfeed? WUWT? Going a little overboard, I would say! But if they made her character go so far as to be breastfeeding, then she`s in "momma bear" mode, dont' mess with the momma bear! But personally, I think it's a bit creepy about the breastfeeding....sure, it's possible with hormone/med treatment...in the RL, not as easy as it sounds, but hey, this is tv, so... I did see pics of November for this episode, she's in a grey blazer or something, right? yes, I agree, she looks good. But I think the outfit might be helping, those frumpy dresses they had her in last season were not flattering... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	4. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 5:48 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 5:48 PM EDT I recall reading that this episode was written by Tim Minear and directed by David Solomon. And the reason I recall this is because it's the same duo that made "Out of Gas", my favorite Firefly episode. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
noobloser	5. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 7:00 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 7:58 PM EDT "I recall reading that this episode was written by Tim Minear and directed by David Solomon. And the reason I recall this is because it's the same duo that made "Out of Gas", my favorite Firefly episode." Ah, well then, I'll change it in the first post. I don't exactly have reliable info...maybe I shouldn't put it anymore. ETA: Now there's conflicting info. According to Whedonesque, the episode is indeed written by Fazekas and Butters. I'll change it back for now. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
JenJam15	6. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 8:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 8:06 PM EDT Wow the breast feeding thing never even occured to me. O.o I guess the Dollhouse really wanted to complete the personality. I didn't expect Mellie to be back until episode five. I wonder if she'll try to use her to manipulate Paul Post reply Do you find this valuable?
naturellebella	7. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 9:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 9:18 PM EDT Well, it's obvious that she's the wife from in the pictures except she doesn't know she's the wife. & when the guy was talking about getting rid of her, just meant taking her off the assignment. I guess the guy can't handle the baby w/o his wife. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
aNaRcHyX	8. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:21 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 10:36 PM EDT Yeah,when he was talking on the phone,it was to get Echo out of there.The reason for him even having her there in the first place was,like I'm sure you know,as a way for him to deal with the death of his wife and the fact that he could not handle taking care of the baby,and every time he looked at the child,he realized that his wife was gone and he was alone with the kid.He got a hold of the Dollhouse and they brought in Echo.He came to his senses and knew that he needed to be a man and raise his kid.Echo,was going to hurt him(the guy)but they talked and than Ballard and company came in and took her out,than Ballard and Echo just sat on a bench and talked for awhile and he offered to help wipe the memory of the experience,but Echo said no that "having no memory of it was worse than going through with the mission".(almost got it word for word). P.S. Mellie(in blueish gray blazer)Looking good,there is some weird "have I seen you before",talk back and forth between Ballard and her.I don't know what that'll lead to.Maybe something steamy!! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Anesidora	9. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:23 PM EDT Wow. That was...intense. Topher is getting a serious God complex. Adelle is getting too attached to Echo. Why aren't they looking for Claire?? Love the raw emotion by Eliza, kudos. That was one hell of a freakout. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	10. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:28 PM EDT So I wonder what Paul was doing in the lab? If he’s the leak, it’d make sense, but I’m still not sure it’s him. Even though he openly admits to wanting to bring the DH down, I still wonder if we’re being lead in the wrong direction. I like how Topher said it was better he was the handler and that he shouldn’t play w/the equipment. Lol. He was scary excited about what he could do, changing Echo so completely. I mean, the pluses on fighting cancer and all that was a good idea, but does the good cancel out the bad? I wonder... Heh. Van Halen. Oh burn! And I just lost it when he’s like, “You can call me a genius if you want.” The baby was so cute. It was kinda creepy how they made her so well for the role she could even nurse. I guess I get why her hubby was weirded out. And spotting the van. Who’s sloppy parking job was that? Why would you sit out in the open so they can see you? But they also made her so much like a wife and mom, it was freaky that she was like, “I think he’s cheating on me.” and telling Sierra all about it. I’m guessing they had her there to make sure Echo didn’t snap. Too late. “I’ll leave him to figure it out for himself.” then right into “We’re gonna find out what he’s hiding in here.” lol. I loved that. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	11. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:28 PM EDT I felt bad for her when he’s like, “I made a mistake, I change my mind.” He wasn’t even sure going in, he shouldn’t have done it. He’s all trying to act supportive, just sleep, it’ll be better in the morning. I do think he really was sorry he’d done it. He felt for her even though he was scared of her. But saying he’d get rid of the baby was cold. I don’t blame her for freaking out. Now the senator and his wife. I like them. They really want Rossum. For a moment there I was afraid the doorbell and silence so closely following him telling her they’re leaning on people to shut them up meant she was dead or taken. But behold the big green folder. I wonder who gave them that intel and what name was in it. It was something hearing all the charges read aloud at once. Money laundering, prostitution, murder, etc. I think we’ve only seen the surface of just how bad Rossum can be. And Maddie was back. So cool to see her again. She seems to be well off and happy. I don’t blame her for wanting to dodge DH though. After getting out, you have to be scared they may put you back in. And she was smart. She knew she was being checked up on. Then she goes in and gets a clean bill of health only to be maimed by Echo. Poor girl can’t win. But it was really weird hearing her tell Paul all that about how she’ll forget. No pain, no bad memories. Her daughter died of cancer and she was alone, then she came to DH and did her time, now she’s out and she’s not sad. She’s not happy maybe, but not sad either. And hearing all that stunned Paul I think. He was wondering if what he’d been set out to do was the right thing after all even just for a moment. Btw, I see they have a new Dr, but no one has mentioned anything about Claire. Odd. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	12. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:29 PM EDT I couldn’t believe Echo went to the cops and at first I was like, resourceful, good job. I couldn’t get over her half defending the client. “He’s not abused me, I’m not a victim”, at the same time she thought he wanted to kill her. Again, weird. But then they showed themselves to be incompetent by just buying into Paul’s story. Um, she said her husband and that guy were trying to kill her and you just take their word he’s FBI? How about checking that out and seeing he’s FIRED. Then they’d have known instead of just leaving her to them. Unbelievable. But anyway... It was heartbreaking hearing her screaming for Jack. In her mind that kid was hers, on a very deep level they’d bonded. I loved when Topher did her wipe and then he’s like, for a little while. Wham! Knocks him out. Haha. It was chilling when she got to the house and cut the power, then standing there holding Jack. “Mommy’s home.” w/that big knife. I mean that could’ve been right out of a horror thriller. They did an amazing job there. But I also loved how he apologized to her for making her love the baby and that she couldn’t be his mom, though she wanted to be so much. In a weird way her event made the bond happen when before her being there wasn’t enough. Ironic. It was sad seeing her give the baby back, you knew it was hard for her. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Livingdoll	13. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:29 PM EDT The talk w/Paul about how it’s all so real to her. “I was his mom, and then I wasn’t. All these things I feel them. Not remember, but feel. It’s not pretend for me. They made me love him and then they took him. They make it so real every time. Why do they do that?” I just wanted to cry for her. All that pain and every other emotion and memory she carries. Idk how she can stand it and not have an Alpha episode. And clearly Paul felt the same as he promised again he’d save them all and that if she wanted Topher’s help, he’d ask him to make her forget so it didn’t hurt. But that just made it so much more poignant, b/c she said that feeling nothing would be worse. It would be like b/f, like being asleep and she didn’t want to go back. At least now, she’s in partial control of herself. She’s self aware enough to know what’s happening. This show just keeps developing and we learn and see more every time. Loved it. Wow. Took a long time to post all that. Lol. Sorry for the length. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
aNaRcHyX	14. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 2 2009, 10:44 PM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 10:46 PM EDT I'm right there with ya Anesidora!!I I love the intense emotion in Eliza and yes,Topher is getting the God complex.For Adelle,Echo is "the top doll in her book".I was wondering the same thing about Claire. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Wrynn	15. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 3 2009, 1:06 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 1:06 AM EDT I love this show. I have never been truly astonished with the acting abilities of Eliza until tonight. When they took Jack from her I cried. And November confirming that she willingly entered the dollhouse and didn't regret it was pretty darn awesome too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
noobloser	16. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 3 2009, 1:20 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 1:20 AM EDT So they just get a replacement for Claire? Why is this not being shown as an addressed issue? But anyway, the episode was okay. I prefer more action, but this was rich in implication and thematic development. Just the implication of altering the human body on a glandular level...explains why she could breastfeed; the brain told her glands to make the hormones for that to happen. Just like Topher, I am quite fascinated with this development in pseudoscience. I like how he thought of battling cancer with this development. I loved Madeline's attitude when Adelle came to meet her. Also that grey dress, not so much her blue blazer outfit, but still pretty nice. God, is she sitting pretty on her money or what? I supposed the DH wasn't kidding about that; I wouldn't mind becoming an Active if I could get that dough after five years. And now we know why her daughter is dead; not an accident or a murder, but she died of leukemia. Trite, but still heartbreaking. Which also makes me wonder...how did Adelle find her, or vice versa? How do people not involved with Rossum find out about the DH? Mr. and Mrs. Perrin. I love their moral values; just like poor deluded Paul, but a little bit more sane. Cindy is the kind of wife Paul should have had; maybe he wouldn't have been taken into the DH so easily. Where did that green folder come from, I wonder? I'm telling you, spy in the house of love, and it's not Ballard. I'm betting on Boyd or another higher-up. Engagement was a creeper. Mr. Jordan's story was very sad (reminded me of the tragedy of Joel Mynor), but Eliza's acting skills are just getting better. Her screaming for Jack...powerful indeed. How many takes do you think they had to do of that? Maybe her voice actually left for a little while. The punch to Topher was really abrupt; does he really get knocked out that easily? Okay, so the last time was due to a taser, but really. Continued... Post reply Do you find this valuable?
steverg	17. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 3 2009, 1:23 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 1:23 AM EDT Great episode! The way Echo experiences her imprints and remembers the feelings they cause her...powerful. Ballard willing to pull her out, even though that would surely end his own efforts. Her refusal to accept the offer of freedom from pain because it would mean going back to sleep. Nice development with the Senator. The inside agent or agents are still around doing their thing. Miracle looking miraculous. Topher slipping back into genius mode (i.e. full of himself.) That won't last. Claire is still out there. That, and the minor fact that the Great Toph will be the architect of the end of the world. But that is in the future, isn't it friends? And on that note we will look at the preview for Episode 2.03. Looks like Topher is going to have to figure out how Alpha did the remote wipe. Sounds like a pivotal episode, because that genie will not be put back in the bottle, as we all know from Epitaph One. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
noobloser	18. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 3 2009, 1:27 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 1:27 AM EDT The thunder was not needed, plain and simple. Another thing that grated on me a bit was this bright light you could see in the pupils of Echo, Mr. Jordan, and Paul's eyes at the end. I think it was the camera light, but I can't be so sure. Either way, it annoyed me a bit. Poor Jack, I hope he doesn't remember any of this stuff! The whole Echo/Paul thing at the end was just a restatement of the purpose of the season. Needed for newcomers, but not for seasoned watchers. Okay, I understand that she doesn't want to go back to "sleep" and wants to bring down the DH and all, but moral flaunting can get really sickening and trite. Great delivery though, but expected a wrap-up at the DH, not in the park at midnight. I like my closure. All in all, 3 out of 5. Just not grooving with me so much. But next week's episode looks INTENSE. Paul's look when he saw Echo naked was hilarious. Well, I think it was, at least. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Gusar	19. RE: (Spoilers) Episode 2.02 "Instinct" Discussion Oct 3 2009, 3:43 AM EDT \| Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 3:56 AM EDT Yeah, I screwed up about who wrote this episode. In my defense, it's possible the Minear/Solomon duo created the second episode in production order, which is the third episode in airing order. We'll see next week if I'm right. Now to this episode... Miracle was smokin'!!!! That outfit she wore when Adelle visits her... rrrrrrrrrr And I think this is the first episode where even the Echo-engagement-of-the-week was really, really exciting. A very interesting way to use a doll. And despite the screw-up (or maybe because of it), I think it worked. Nate got over his issue and has now accepted the baby. steverg wrote: "Topher slipping back into genius mode (i.e. full of himself.)" <-- LOL. So true. We'll see how long this lasts. My only criticism about this episode... not addressing Claire being gone. I hope that's still coming in the next episodes. Oh, I almost forgot. New catchphrase: "Do you know who's real?" Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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