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jj7sephalan |
20. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 17 2009, 9:29 PM EDT
I am not sure if the romantic missions would bother me much if it was jsu tmy job.But I wouldnt react with surprise if I remembered why i did it in the first place and i have all the professional help ther was. I recently tried out for the military and they discharge on anxiety. I feel i am an intellegent person and with the right time and training I can achieve anything. We all can. But to go beyond our means and think outside of the box like echo is higher skill. Her character is virsitlie. The money would also be nice LOL Do you find this valuable? |
Innocence41285 |
21. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 18 2009, 10:42 AM EDT
Anxiety can be a big issue with the military, I am a wife of and he tells me some of the stuff he just has to shut up and deal with and I get anxious. But I mean if they could make a deal to remove a flaw that kept you from something you wanted in life that would be awesome.
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Greenlady31 |
22. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 3:49 AM EDT
Umm, in real life? First thing I'd do is get tested for every possible STD. Somehow I doubt the dolls are practicing safe sex.(Sorry if that brings in too much reality to the Dollhouse fantasy). Do you find this valuable? |
steverg |
23. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 9:04 AM EDT
"Umm, in real life? First thing I'd do is get tested for every possible STD. Somehow I doubt the dolls are practicing safe sex.That is an area that has been ignored in the storyline. Certainly, the Dollhouse could and should require testing for STD's prior to any engagement. However, the problem is that testing is less than 100% accurate shortly after exposure to some pathogens while transmission can still occur. That's where the trust factor has to come in for couples. Obviously, there is no such bond between the Dollhouse and the clients. Clients could be punished for transmitting something to a Doll, but so what? Many of these people are one-time users, and USERS are rarely concerned with such things as what they gave to their one-night stands. Do you find this valuable? |
mslis |
24. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 9:38 AM EDT
I've actually been waiting for them to come up with some spiffy-nifty sci-fi reason why the dolls can't get STDs. Like "we get them these magical can't-be-noticed-by-people" diaphragms or "we have the magic ability to get rid of anything as long as it's less than 10 hours after it came in contact"... something that would require a leap of reality, but hey, we're doing that already right?
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Dollbait |
25. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 4:03 PM EDT
Maybe a little shock. would like to know what it is about, what I was used for...and then ask if I could please have and keep some of those mad mad skills I had...ha almost reminds me of the Matrix.
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Wrynn |
26. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 8:22 PM EDT
I am a woman, and I wouldn't have a problem with knowing I've been on "romantic" engagements. Unfortunately, I *have* slept with strangers. I'm not proud of the fact, and I am no longer the person I was when I did such things. I've come to terms with that part of my life. I think there would be a grieving process for anyone finding out they were a doll. The loss of years, the lack of memories, the knowledge someone could use you like that would all hit you at some point. I think I'd be okay with it because I think being used by someone else is not as bad as using yourself, as I did.
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Dollbait |
27. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 22 2009, 10:08 PM EDT
"I am a woman, and I wouldn't have a problem with knowing I've been on "romantic" engagements. Unfortunately, I *have* slept with strangers. I'm not proud of the fact, and I am no longer the person I was when I did such things. I've come to terms with that part of my life. I think there would be a grieving process for anyone finding out they were a doll. The loss of years, the lack of memories, the knowledge someone could use you like that would all hit you at some point. I think I'd be okay with it because I think being used by someone else is not as bad as using yourself, as I did."Hi...thanks for sharing that...I sort of know on another level what it can feel like. The loss of years. My wife is mentally disabled. We know longer live together and we're both ok with it. But it took time for doctors to figure out what was going on. She attempted suicide more than a few times. Wrong diagnosis. Wrong medications. Hospital stays that sent us to the poorhouse. And when she got better, I was told the stress of family was too much for her, she can't come home. I gave up and went into my own little tail spin. It's all past now. But the years are gone, never get them back. My life is good right now. Her life is good right now. It's past. But the time was soooo wasted getting there. For years I beat myself up over it. I found out I have the active gene for alcoholism. But like you, i am not that person today. I guess too if I found out i was a doll part of would wonder about the years. I'm making up for lost time big time now. Going to live my dream if at all possible while i still can. So I would want to keep some of them mad mad skills! They would owe me that! Because there may be an emotional turmoil and letdown. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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28. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 23 2009, 9:20 AM EDT
I was also considering I want the good memories of being an active intact along with the mad skills. Times I got to kick ass. Memories of people would probably not be good. Too confusing...what if it were an imprint of being in love with someone? Or being married to her? Who confusing would that be? Very.
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sprbobc |
29. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 23 2009, 4:42 PM EDT
"While all reactions noted are valid, I think that the essential question when you discover that you had been a doll is this:One cannot ignore the fact that there would have been some serious decreptitude, is that a word?,in your previous actions to have been offered the opportunity to become a doll. Let's make it a given, at the time of signing on with this program, that one may choose to keep the memories that you came in with. It is at that time you should evaluate your morass, not after. So, I suppose one should be happy with the fact that through your actions as a doll that someone is benefiting. And since we all cannot be gods, then that would have to do. Therefore, if you did not think about your actions before, then be happy with the memories, thanks for the money and getting me out of a jam. This is a great series, that is what keeps me interested. One just can't back into thoughts; let's call it a character flaw on my end. Anyhoo, love you all !!! Do you find this valuable? |
noobloser |
30. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 23 2009, 7:07 PM EDT
I'm sure this point has been given many times, but I'm just going to say this.A friend of mine just recently had two grand mal seizures. I had to fill in the blanks because they blanked out completely. Think about that. If the Dollhouse just gives back your memories and a huge amount of money with no explanation or implanted memory as to how you got the money, then it'll be like my friend who had the seizures: it's a chunk of your life gone. There's nothing there, like drawing a blank. I find that extremely creepy. Then you'd be groping for answers as to what happened in that time you missed. In my friend's case, it was five minutes. In a Doll's case, it'd be five years. Do you find this valuable? |
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mslis |
31. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 23 2009, 8:05 PM EDT
I don't think we'd necessarily have a need to know, though...Incidentally, I also have had seizures. I never remember what happened during them. I don't want to remember what happened during them, though. I know it was pretty horrible and my brain has a good reason for not keeping that information. Though a significantly larger timespan, I can certainly see myself using this same rationale for being a doll. I think some of us are compelled to know. Some of us aren't. I don't think either is a better approach, just different. Do you find this valuable? |
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wendylo |
32. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 23 2009, 8:54 PM EDT
"One cannot ignore the fact that there would have been some serious decreptitude, is that a word?,in your previous actions to have been offered the opportunity to become a doll. Let's make it a given, at the time of signing on with this program, that one may choose to keep the memories that you came in with. It is at that time you should evaluate your morass, not after.What if? -the dolls were not volunteers but more like kidnappees. -Echo was not approached and given options but hunted and trapped and then told some fake story. -signing a lease meant signing your life away. -Echo is not really mind wiped but keeps every nuance, every attack, every degradation in her long term memory. -Alpha is not a "bad" doll but just man who woke up one day and really got pssd about the whole , you master ...me slave thing. -Rossum thinks its above tha law solely on the principle of money...We've got it and you don't. What I'm trying to portray here is that the organization lies on so many levels, why wouldn't they lie about their very mission statement. This is about money, nothing more and nothing less. And obviously they must pay well or why would so many rationalize that everything is hunkydory. Given time I'm quite sure that the writers will come to grips with the immorality of it all. People who live in glass houses and all of that. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sam•Cellist |
33. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 10:21 AM EDT
I guess I agree, but I think what would cause me the most anxiety is how much of me is me, and how much is fabricated. To be sure about oneself only to discover that you have no idea how much of your life happened and how much was invented would be more disturbing than sleeping with strangers.
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cat595 |
34. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 12:51 PM EDT
I would feel so violated. It wouldn't matter what kind of assignments I had been on. Knowing that I could be taken and erased and controlled like that would destroy my life, I think. I wouldn't be able to trust anyone, I wouldn't believe I was really me. I would wonder if they had made me someone else after or if any of the memories I currently had were even real. I would doubt each and every person I met. I would lose all my ambition and my drive to make a difference in the world, because really, if they can program you or anyone else to be whatever they want, I'm not sure any non-dolls or non-dollhouse people would have a chance. Ya, I would totally end up in a mental hospital diagnosed as having paranoid schizophrenia.
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lollipopfop |
35. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 1:02 PM EDT
I don't think any of them volunteered. Unless you count being in a room with Adelle and being told you can either go to prison for life or be killed because you know too much or "volunteer" voluntering. I call it being forced, myself.
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lollipopfop |
36. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 1:05 PM EDT
In reality, I think a lot of people would end up commiting suicide. At least a good third of them. No matter how much money they got. Or turn to drugs, I think. You would need something to keep you from constantly thinking about it. I don't know what I would do, but I doubt it would be good. Think about how upset people get if they black out five minutes? Five years? Youd never have a moments peace.
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TheActualLilyPat |
37. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 1:09 PM EDT
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I'm glad to see that some viewers are looking a layer deeper into the show's plot and its implications, since there are people out here right now in the Real World who have survived being used as human guinea pigs in government-sanctioned experimentation whose purpose was to literally control minds. If you can control human memory, then you can create slaves who don't even realize they've been enslaved.Unfortunately, if you look into this subject online, you'll quickly find yourself snared by what's called "disinformation"--crucial bits of false info wrapped up in real but very sensationalistic info. Since survivors' minds are controlled, false memories can be implanted that serve to invalidate the person if they manage to remember enough to try to go public. And, as in the show, the people (mostly men) who purchase these unwitting slaves tend to be extremely wealthy and well-connected...IOW, difficult if not impossible to prosecute. Though the mind control programs began in government programs, they were forced underground in the 1970's by the Church Committee Hearings in the US Senate. Nowadays, I suspect that they're well-concealed within labyrinthine corporations...just like the Dollhouses. Perhaps the only way to make the public aware of this is via mass media science fiction, so I'm tremendously grateful to Joss Whedon for working so long and hard to create and market this program. Most folks will miss the deeper implications of the show, but at least the idea will be out there. If any of you watched "His Own Worst Enemy" you've seen the way that deliberately created multiple personalities can be used by intelligence agencies, too. And River Tam in "Firefly/Serenity" was a survivor of a mind control laboratory. LilyPat Do you find this valuable? |
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lollipopfop |
38. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 1:10 PM EDT
Would you want to know/ Or would you rather have them pump fake memories in? So you thought you just did normal stuff? Thats what I would do. Its still horrible, but I would ask for fake memories...oh God, but what if you found out? And what about having no friends or family or anyone at the end? You would be so alone. You wouldn't have existed for five years. Maybe id ask for them to give me amnesia so id think it was natual. Altho people with amnesia spend all their time trying to remember. I don't know.
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lollipopfop |
39. RE: If you found out you had once been a doll how would you react?
Apr 24 2009, 1:14 PM EDT
I don't know. Its been thrown out there since "the Manchurian candidate". I don't think real mind control is easy. Sure, people get hypnotised, but if you could really hypnotise pople into doing what you want we would see it done. People would hypnotise their bosses, girlfriends etc. The mind isn't like a computer, and memories aren't personality. they are quite different.
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